Joseph Smith Price: $20.00 Product #: BVJS105 Author(s): Living Hope Ministries Contents: 78 minutes, DVD A Mormon Elder and a Christian apologist (not actors!) explore the “test of a prophet” in Deuteronomy 18 in light of the Bible and Joseph. The Joseph Smith Translation (JST; also called the Inspired Version (IV)) is a revision of the Bible by Joseph Smith, the founder of the Latter Day Saint movement. Smith considered this work to be 'a branch of his calling' as a prophet. Smith was murdered before he. Joseph Smith Introduction This film is an authentic dialogue between Joel Kramer of Living Hope Ministries (producer of www.SourceFlix.com) and LDS Greg Gifford. The setting is filmed entirely in Israel. The film attempts to demonstrate how the Bible. Home / DVD / The Bible vs. Joseph Smith DVD The Bible vs. Joseph Smith DVD $ 9.95 Add to cart Category: DVD Tag: bible vs. The Bible and Joseph Smithby Stephen O. Smoot. 1Setting the Stage: Joel Kramer Vs. Mormonism. In 2. 00. Joel Kramer, an Evangelical Christian and proprietor of Living Hope Ministries based out of Brigham City, Utah, released a video entitled. This video attempts to disprove the Book of Mormon. Since there was no detectable . In this follow up work to. The Book of Mormon, Kramer enlisted the help of a number of archaeologists in an attempt to demonstrate that the Bible has been verified archaeologically while the Book of Mormon has been discredited archaeologically. Therefore, the video concluded, Latter- day Saints should reject the Book of Mormon as ancient history and inspired scripture, abandon their faith in the restored gospel of Jesus Christ and adapt some form of fundamentalist Protestantism. The initial release of. The video was hailed by some as a . Perhaps the most remarkable aspect of the video, at least in the eyes of the critics of the Church, was that two . Southerton, were enlisted to spearhead the attack against Joseph Smith. Murphy and Southerton, both formerly- active members of the Church who had since renounced their former faith, were portrayed as unassailable authorities on the matter of DNA and Book of Mormon studies. A long stream of books, articles, DVDs, blog posts, radio broadcasts, television spots and websites answered the allegations of deception by Joseph Smith and argued for the inherent flaws in the critics. Once again Murphy was consulted by Living Hope Ministries as an expert on the Book of Mormon, alongside anthropologist and former member of the Church William E. Wilson of Northern Arizona University. Joseph Smith 1h 58min . Kramer Writer: Joel P. Kramer, Greg Gifford Scary Good: IMDb's Guide to Horror Can't get enough of Check out Scary Good, IMDb's Horror. Joseph Smith DVD Author: Publisher: SourceFlix Price: $10.00 Date: 2010 Minutes: 118 Additional Info: Description From back cover: 'In this unique documentary, produced entirely in Israel, a Christian and a Mormon sit down to dialogue about. The video, though rich in film quality, suffered from the same problems that have plagued past anti- Mormon treatments on Book of Mormon archaeology. Usually, however, these videos provide little that is genuinely new, but simply repackage pre- existing attacks. The Bible vs. Joseph Smith. The latest video produced by Living Hope Ministries (and as of 2. Source. Flix) is. The film pits biblical prophetic writings against Joseph Smith. It then attempts to verify the former and discredit the latter via interviews with various scholars. The video primarily revolves around the following arguments: The Bible has made predictions and prophecies concerning a number of issues, the most striking being the coming of Jesus Christ as the Messiah and King of the Jews. Biblical prophecies have been fulfilled and can be verified as such by scholarly evidence and historical inquiry. Joseph Smith professed to be a prophet of God and made predictions in the Book of Mormon as well as in his later ministry. The video gives particular attention to the building of a temple in Independence, Missouri in . The video insists that this scripture is a prophecy which requires a temple to be constructed within the lifetime of Joseph Smith and his contemporaries. The producers regard the . For example, he continues the time- honored anti- Mormon tradition of challenging the Book of Mormon. Kramer also attempts to pick apart Joseph Smith. The video is structured around an exchange between Kramer and a Latter- day Saint named Greg Gifford. The claims made by Kramer in the video have been the same standard anti- Mormon fare for at least several decades, and many go back to the earliest anti- Mormon writings. One searches in vain for anything even as relatively new or exciting as was offered in Kramer. While Kramer makes a token gesture towards impartiality by having a faithful Mormon appear on his film to defend the LDS point of view, it becomes readily apparent that Gifford. Gifford serves, in essence, as the strawman in Kramer. At many points of the video Kramer will go on and on with an argument while Gifford does little more than nod his head and acknowledge Kramer. Notice, for example, the following part of the video in which Kramer attempts to disprove the authenticity of the Joseph Smith Translation: 1. Kramer: This is the . On each page, the column on the left contains the text of Joseph Smith. I mean, of, text, that, look at that. Gifford: Boy. Do you think that this information of the coming of the Book of Mormon through Joseph Smith and the three witnesses is in it? Gifford: I. Can they both be right? Gifford: . I just, just started trying to convince him that Bethlehem and Jerusalem are so close to each other that they could be considered the same thing. Which one do you think is right historically? Gifford: Historically its Bethlehem. I get the impression that in many instances he was perhaps only hearing about the issue for the first time, and thus he was unable to provide any substantive response. He is a typical, run- of- the- mill Latter- day Saint who simply hasn. Though these have been around for decades, if not centuries, Kramer doesn. Kramer, on the other hand, is a career anti- Mormon who literally makes a living off of producing and selling anti- Mormon paraphernalia. I doubt that most LDS people would do much better than Gifford. This does not criticize Gifford, since until now there has been little reason for him to be concerned about the trivial points raised by Kramer. Faithful, sincere, and devout, Gifford is simply unaware of the controversies until ambushed with a biased and one- sided account of them. It is telling that Kramer did not discuss the matter with someone familiar with the issues. But, this gives us a window into Kramer. The problem is that the Source. Flix team is composed of individuals focused on the weaknesses of Mormonism, and who have a tendency to exaggerate or even invent weaknesses on the Mormon side. Kramer stacked the deck and loaded the dice. Gifford, as sincere as we was, was unprepared to rebut a professional anti- Mormon like Kramer. In short, I think it is highly misleading to present the conversation as fair and balanced, despite Kramer. This annoying tendency is not new . He triumphantly touts the authority of his cherry- picked scholars as definitive and moves on to make sweeping and drastic conclusions without granting the Latter- day Saints an opportunity to speak for themselves. Now lest I be misunderstood, I readily concede that it is impossible for any single individual to address. However, if Kramer wishes to maintain his scholarly integrity he must at least mention that there is more to the issue than he pretends, and that the Mormons aren. But, to do so would abandon his chief . A prime example is his discussion of the Joseph Smith Translation of the Bible with Dr. Notice how Kramer carefully leads Dr. Rico to the conclusion against Joseph Smith that Kramer wants his most likely primarily Evangelical audience to hear: Narrator: A key verse that Joseph Smith rewrote is John 1: 1, that refers to Jesus as the word. In the Bible, John 1: 1 reads . And the gospel was the word, and the word was with the Son, and the Son was with God, and the Son was of God. The most ancient copy of the Gospel of John that we have goes back to the year 1. That is the papyrus which is called Papyrus 6. We are very sure about the text that we have. Narrator: This earliest copy we have of John 1: 1 is only about fifty years older than when John originally wrote that Jesus was God. As one who personally knew Jesus, John is a more trustworthy witness of who he was rather than Joseph Smith who rewrote John. Rico: I mean, they would be reading Joseph Smith, not the Gospel. Kramer: When you read John 1: 1 in the Joseph Smith translation version and John 1: 1 in the Bible, are those two different Jesuses? Dr. Rico: Oh yes, completely, completely. We are talking about something completely different in each case. Kramer: You can believe in the Jesus, Joseph Smith. Rico: No, you can not. This ploy does not even grant the courtesy of being subtle. One can see how Kramer carefully leads Dr. Rico to state on film that the Mormons worship . To disqualify the Church of Jesus Christ from his idiosyncratic definition of . And with the respected authority of Dr. Rico on his side, how can anyone, let alone Gifford, argue against such unimpeachable reasoning and scriptural truth? It is exceedingly unfortunate that Kramer has repeated the Evangelical polemic that the Latter- day Saints don. It is a far cry from saying that the Saints worship a . Kramer informs us that . After all, the verses appear to be remarkably straightforward: if X, in the name of Yahweh, utters a predication of future events and the event comes to pass, then X is a true prophet. If X utters a prediction in the name of Yahweh and the event does not come to pass, then X is a false prophet and must be summarily executed for false prophecy and taking Yahweh. Or, as Kramer defines it,a prophet is someone who claims God is speaking through them. So how can we know when a message has not been spoken by the Lord? The answer is the test of a prophet. Since only God knows the future people can test a prophet by how accurately he predicts the future. In fact things are much more complicated than Kramer would like us to think. First, it should be noted that Deuteronomy 1. The first is that of his prophetic call, and the second pertains to that of his prophetic accuracy. Verse 1. 5 shows that the first test is that of one being called of God. This differentiates between prophets called of Yahweh and pagan oracles. The verse is the direct continuation of verse 1. Israel is to turn to prophets for the services that pagans seek from diviners and magicians. Since prophets are raised up by God, who will put His word in their mouths, they are His agents, and by turning to them one turns to God. As with many prophets, in the LDS view Joseph Smith was call by God because he saw, in vision, God the Father and His Son (cf. Ezekiel 1), was forgiven of his sins (cf. Isaiah 6) and, in later life, understood that this vision was the beginning of his call as a prophet of God. As for the rest of the deuteronomic test, it would be unwise to absolutize the passage in the way that. Robot Check. Enter the characters you see below. Sorry, we just need to make sure you're not a robot. For best results, please make sure your browser is accepting cookies.
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